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MARILYN: This is very sensitive to..
FLORENCE:Well, we'll be glad to know that cause if our answers are mumbled up
MARILYN: No, doesn't make one bit a difference. Nobody u'll
FLORENCE:No
MARILYN: Nobody u'll hear it except for me for taking notes and stuff like that
FLORENCE:Yes. When you do want a sensible one
MARY:haha
MARILYN: haha
FLORENCE:Give me the questions.
MARILYN: That's right
FLORENCE:Give us the questions
MARILYN: That's right
FLORENCE:And we'll write the answers down for ya
MARILYN: Uh-hu
MARILYN: Yeah. Well that's what, that's what we were thinking anyway
FLORENCE:And then you see if they're alright, then you can tape it
MARILYN: Yeah, if we wanted to tape it like for display like to actually hear the voice of people who lived in the house
FLORENCE:It would be lovely
MARILYN: Yeah, it would be really nice and
FLORENCE:Well, I'll tell ya
MARILYN: The emotion that you have for the house
FLORENCE:To get it done quickly haha
MARILYN: Yes, that's right
FLORENCE:She's over 90
MARILYN: I Know
FLORENCE:But ah Mrs. Colbourne
MARILYN: Yes. Well, she's, she was 89 when I was talking to her last spring so I think she's going to be 90 or something like that
FLORENCE:There ya go
MARY:I mean Walter White would be 94
FLORENCE:Yeah
MARILYN: Yeah, yeah
MARY:No, 95. He'd be 95 now if he lived
MARILYN: I think, I think he's the younger, I think she might be a younger sister
MARY:She is
FLORENCE:She is
MARILYN: yeah, she is
FLORENCE:She is. The younger sister yeah
MARY:The younger sister
MARILYN: The younger sister of him, yup
MARY:But I didn't think there was as much difference as that in them, you know
FLORENCE:I'd love to meet her.
MARILYN: I think she's
FLORENCE:I'd love to meet her Moll
MARILYN: She was born in ahh
FLORENCE:So much in common
MARILYN: Let me see 1892
FLORENCE:And were you, were you getting it for the lighthouse?
MARILYN: Yes that's right, yeah, yeah. I did all the research on the lighthouse
FLORENCE:ok
MARILYN: and ahh, so. 1892 she was born.
MARY:Oh, she's 88
FLORENCE:My gosh eh?
MARY:She's 88
MARILYN: 88 or 89 something like that
FLORENCE:88
MARILYN: Yeah I remember the date
MARY:Yeah
MARILYN: That she was talking about. Anyway, now the way we're gonna start off now, what I'm particularly interested in is like your, your father and your mother and their family tree. Now there was just Walter, was not Walter, William, yourself, and Moll and
FLORENCE:No, we'd give them to ya this Moll u give them to them as we come down
MARY:what's that?
FLORENCE:Our family
MARILYN: Your family. Your, your brother was older than you?
MARY:Oh yes
MARILYN: Was he? So William?
FLORENCE:George
MARY:That's George
FLORENCE:George
MARY:George
MARILYN: Oh, George. Ok, so there's George
MARY:William
MARILYN: William
MARY: Netta
MARILYN: Netta?
MARY:N e t t a
MARILYN: N e t t a
MARY:Mary
MARILYN: Mary
MARY:Florence
MARILYN: Florence
MARY:And Richard
MARILYN: Richard
FLORENCE:Now ask questions that
MARILYN: Now, is this your, this is your, your brothers and sisters?
MARY:Yes
MARILYN: Your brothers and sisters. And is your name Mary then?
MARY:Yes. Haha
MARILYN: Ahh, I see. I didn't know that before. I thought it was Molly
FLORENCE:That's what they nicknamed see
MARILYN: That's what they nicknamed you
FLORENCE:Yes
MARY:Yes
MARILYN: So that's from oldest to youngest, there.
FLORENCE:I think Molly would alright though Moll
MARY:One died as an infant but I didn't give you his name
MARILYN: One died as an infant, ohh
MARY:That was in between Net and myself
FLORENCE:Molly would be more like the house
MARY:Well you can put Molly if you'd like
FLORENCE:I would put Molly there
MARILYN: Okay
FLORENCE:Please yourself Moll, I don't care what you puts there
MARILYN: I'll put it in brackets, Molly
MARY:haha
FLORENCE:That's the belongs to the house
MARILYN: That's what everyone would know
FLORENCE:Oh yes, right
MARY:yes, yes
MARILYN: And relate to that
MARY:No one would know Mary
MARILYN: Nah
FLORENCE:No one would know Mary. That's only for, for cheques.
MARY:haha
MARILYN: Oh, you you do sign it as Mary?
MARY:All the time
MARILYN: Oh, I see very good
MARILYN: Now there was George. How old was ahh how old when was George born?
MARY:22nd of May. His birthday was day before yesday. He'd been 97
FLORENCE:What date, what date Moll?
MARY:97
MARILYN: 97, that's ok, 97. That's, that's good nough. And so then the rest of you range between 97 and Richard how
MARY:He was, ahh, he'd be 86 now
MARILYN: He'd be 86 now
MARY:He's dead ya know, there's
MARILYN: Yes
FLORENCE:And umm, I'm 87
MARY:You're 87
FLORENCE:And Moll's 89.
MARILYN: 89
FLORENCE:So, you, you don't mind me saying that you'd better get everything out of us
MARY:haha
MARILYN: haha. What a, what about William and Netta?
FLORENCE:William is 93
MARY:4
FLORENCE:94
MARILYN: He'd be 94 this year
FLORENCE:ahh how, how old is Net?
MARY:90...3 years older than I am
FLORENCE:90
MARY:92
FLORENCE:92
MARILYN: 92. So that's, that's your family. And were they all born in the house?
MARY:Yes
FLORENCE:Yes
MARILYN: All, all born, nobody you, you never ever moved out of that house once you
MARY:No, we all born there
MARILYN: your father built it there?
FLORENCE:All born there
MARY:The bed is down there we were born in haha
MARILYN: Is that right?
MARY:haha
MARILYN: Now. Now are there any relatives of these of these
FLORENCE:The bed, the bed
MARILYN: the people
FLORENCE:The bed is there. The bed is there that we were born in
MARILYN: Is that right? Still there? Yup. All these umm all your sisters and brothers do they have any families living today and
MARY:Yes
FLORENCE:Yes
MARILYN: And you have umm
MARY:Dick has two daughters
MARILYN: Richard has two daughters. Just in case I ever want to trace up some of his family or
MARY:Judge Bartlett married one
MARILYN: Ohh, is that right?
MARY:Yes. They're divorced
FLORENCE:Ahh, Richard has two daughters. Mabel and Joyce
MARILYN: Mabel and Joyce. Don't mind my writing cause I just
MARY:No
MARILYN: I picks, I picks all this haha and
FLORENCE:Mabel married to Judge Bartlett
MARILYN: Is that right? Umm
FLORENCE:and Joyce married to George Hutchings. That's a way to put it isn't it?
MARILYN: Uh-huMARILYN: George Hutchings
MARY:George has one boy.
FLORENCE:George has ??? hasn't he?
MARY:Oh yes, I thought
FLORENCE:That's George Hutchings
MARY:I was thinking about George Hutchings
FLORENCE:No, George Hiscock, sure she marked George down first see
MARILYN: Oh, that's okay
FLORENCE:George has one boy, Ian
MARILYN: George has one
FLORENCE:One son, Ian
MARILYN: And is he alive now?
FLORENCE:Yes
MARILYN: and
FLORENCE:I would say so
MARILYN: And he has other family
MARY:We're not sure
FLORENCE:We haven't heard from him for years
MARILYN: You…ahh...he's not living in Newfoundland is he?
FLORENCE:No, Texas
MARILYN: Oh, Texas. Oh furthest away haha
FLORENCE:He was last when we heard from him
MARY:I thought he was in the states. That's alright
MARILYN: Okay. What about ah your brother William? He didn't have any family did he?
FLORENCE:No, nor my sister Netta
MARILYN: Nor Netta?
FLORENCE:Nor Moll or myself, not yet haha
MARY:haha
MARILYN: haha So you got, the only relatives really that you have today would be the the children of Richard and George?
FLORENCE:That's right
MARILYN: Do you have any contact with ah Mabel and Joyce now?
FLORENCE:No, she was divorced from Rupert and
MARILYN: Rupert right
FLORENCE:And left the family
MARILYN: Is that right?
FLORENCE:Joyce is in Grand Falls and of course we haven't seen her for a few years
MARILYN: oh
FLORENCE:A few years, have we?
MARY:No
MARILYN: Oh. So then there's not that much left really in the family connections now today?
FLORENCE:No there's none
MARY:No
MARILYN: Okay then so that, that's your, your, your brothers and sisters
FLORENCE:That's all there is to say on that Moll isn't it? Ya know, yeah
MARILYN: Okay. Now your, your say lets take your father first
FLORENCE:yes
MARILYN: His name was
MARY:Richard
MARILYN: Richard. Richard okay. So, so you had a Richard Junior?
FLORENCE:Yes. He was born
MARY:8 months after
FLORENCE:8 months after pop was drowned
MARILYN: Is that right?
FLORENCE:He was drowned at the age of 39. Of course you can write that after. Give her Grandma and Grandpa now.
MARY:Oh no
MARILYN: No, no your mother and father now.
FLORENCE:Oh, oh I see
MARILYN: Go backwards like that
MARY:haha
FLORENCE:yes, I see
MARILYN: Start from you and go up
FLORENCE:yes, yes
MARILYN: Okay so they were drowned at the age of thirty, he was drowned at the age of 39
MARY:That's right
MARILYN: Do you know when he was born?
MARY:yes, 30th of October
MARILYN: What year?
MARY:Ah, he's be umm...my...
FLORENCE:How long as he been
MARY:I tell ya
MARILYN: That's the hard thing to remember
MARY:He was married in 82, ???? he was married in 82
MARILYN: 82
FLORENCE:I got birth books but I don't know
MARY:And I think he's about, I'm not quit sure he's about 29 when he was married
MARILYN: Okay
FLORENCE:He was only married 10 years
MARILYN: Married about 29. And you had a fine, they had a fine family in 10 years
FLORENCE:Had 2 sisters. Pop did.
MARY:2 sisters
MARILYN: had 2 sisters, okay.
FLORENCE:I can tell ya when Grandma Hiscock ?? was born. I have a few if she wants to know
MARILYN: Yes I will now in a few minutes
FLORENCE:yes, that's fine
MARY:And Sarah
MARILYN: Your, your prayer book is it?
FLORENCE:And Art Hiscock, October 20
MARY:That's Richard
FLORENCE:Yes.
MARILYN: That's it.
FLORENCE:It doesn't say when he was born
MARILYN: Doesn't say right there. Just says October 20th
FLORENCE:Yeah
MARY:October 20th
FLORENCE:Yes
MARILYN: And he was about 29 when he was married?
FLORENCE:Yes
MARILYN: So,
MARY:Mom said that when she'd when he was drowned
FLORENCE:Moll
MARY:They'd only had 10 years
FLORENCE:This book was given to Mom ah when 93 years ago
MARY:after they were married
FLORENCE:Yeah after they were married
MARY:Oh yes
FLORENCE:So Pop see put his name in
MARY:Yes
MARILYN: Alright
FLORENCE:How old is Pop?
MARY:He'd be ah...Mom would be about 120. He'd be about 125 now
FLORENCE:Yes
MARY:Now ah , that may not be right accurate
MARILYN: yeah
FLORENCE:yeah but that's good enough
MARILYN: I, I can always check these. I'll probably go when we start getting into the house, I'll probably go through the church records and check them
FLORENCE:Oh yes
MARY:Yes
MARILYN: And trace it, all the exact dates and stuff
MARY:I might not be partly near it haha
MARILYN: So he would be around a hundred, 125? And it gives a good place to start to look ya know
MARY:Sure
FLORENCE:Sure
MARY:I can yes. I can al give ya Aunt Sarah's now that's
MARILYN: Okay, that is you're it's his two sisters
FLORENCE:His sister Sarah
MARILYN: Sarah
FLORENCE:Born October 18th
MARILYN: October 18th
FLORENCE:I don't expect Aunt Mary's is here
MARY:No
MARILYN: And his other sister was Mary?
FLORENCE:Other sister was Mary
MARY:Mary
MARILYN: yeah, Named after your named after
FLORENCE:Right
MARILYN: Right uh-hum
FLORENCE:Now, now Grandma Hiscock. I don't know when Grandpa was born
MARY:His mother
MARILYN: His mother, okay
FLORENCE:I don't know when Grandpa was born
MARILYN: His mother
FLORENCE:I wonder what time of the year
MARY:I don't know
MARILYN: Was umm, ok...his mother was
FLORENCE:Pop's mother
MARILYN: What was her maiden name?
FLORENCE:Elizabeth
MARY:Ah no, Verge
MARILYN: mai...
FLORENCE:Elizabeth
MARILYN: Verge?
MARY:yeah I thought it her surname
MARILYN: Her surname yeah
MARY:Ah, we don't know much about her family
FLORENCE:Look, I'll tell ya when she was born. Elizabeth Hiscock, her birthday, was ah, now that's our grandmother
MARILYN: That's right
FLORENCE:Pop's mother. Her birthday was October 12th and she was born in 1831
MARILYN: 1831 and what was her maiden name? Verge?
FLORENCE:Verge
MARILYN: Verge
FLORENCE:As far as we know
MARY:That's about all we know
FLORENCE:Yeah
MARILYN: You don't, you don't know where she came from or anything?
MARY:Well Trinity, Trinity
FLORENCE:And we didn't ask. Pity wasn't it? George Hiscock, that's grandpa, October 1st
MARILYN: Okay, your grandfather
FLORENCE:Grandfather Hiscock
MARILYN: That's George?
FLORENCE:Yes. Born, he was captain
MARILYN: He was Captain was he?
FLORENCE:yes. Oh, my brother was captain too
MARILYN: brother ah, brother George?
FLORENCE:yes. He was captain
MARILYN: okay
FLORENCE:And this George was born in 1832
MARILYN: 1832
MARILYN: So, you were only 1 year apart?
FLORENCE:yes
MARILYN: Okay
MARY:Grandma Hiscock now would be ah a hund, a hundred and forty-eight
FLORENCE:yeah
MARY:Well see, I said Pop would be 125, that a hundred and ah
FLORENCE:he would be older than that wouldn't he?
MARY:No
MARILYN: he would be, yeah yes that's about right
MARY:That's about right
FLORENCE:yeah, yeah
MARY:That's about right
FLORENCE:yeah, yeah, there ya go. Only yesday I picked up that book
MARILYN: Is that right?
FLORENCE:That's 94 years old
MARILYN: Where did ya get that book?
MARY:She was about 23
FLORENCE:Uncle Harry
MARILYN: Oh, yes. My goodness, I didn't know they had them that long ago. They're, they're, they're you you can still buy these know
FLORENCE:Oh yes
MARILYN: My sister has one and she's put all her
FLORENCE:I has
MARILYN: ?????
MARY:She was 22 when Pop was
FLORENCE:That's nice to go in the house isn't it?
MARILYN: yes, that is very nice, extremely nice yup. Good a really, a nice thing to identify with the family ya know
FLORENCE:My, my uncle gave it to him, Dick and Emma. That's mom and pop, with
all this
MARILYN: And he was called Dick was he?
FLORENCE:yes, and my brother was called Dick
MARILYN: Oh, I see
FLORENCE:And my brother was called Dick too
MARILYN: Oh. Well that ya know that's
FLORENCE:And of course I was called Floss
MARYhaha
MARILYN: Floss
FLORENCE:Floss because the people going into the house know us as Floss and Molly
MARILYN: Yeah
FLORENCE:Isn't that right Moll?
MARY:Floss and Moll I'd say
MARILYN: Floss and Moll yeah
MARY:haha
FLORENCE:Now I heard some people say Molly. Now, George and Will
MARILYN: So, George and…George and Will
FLORENCE:George and Will
MARILYN: Yeah, right, he didn't. Yeah, and Netta was just Netta? Netta? That's, that's an unusual name it sounds
MARY:Pretty name
MARILYN: like an abbreviation for a name
MARY:No
MARILYN: But that, that was her name
FLORENCE:Netta Charlotte Bullock
MARILYN: That was her Christian name
FLORENCE:her name was, and mine was Florence Gertrude but you don't want all that today
MARILYN: haha
FLORENCE:Do ya? If you do you know it's not trouble to get it from us, all you have to do is phone us
MARILYN: Right, ok, anything, any other details I want
FLORENCE:Anything you want to know
MARILYN: Okay, so this is Richard's mother and father, and you don't know
FLORENCE:That's Pop's mother and father yes
MARILYN: Right. Your, your mo, your father's mother and father
FLORENCE:Yes
MARILYN: so this is your grandfather and your grandmother
FLORENCE:yes, that's right Now ah, you got ah Elizabeth Verge gra, mother, his father George, captain, that's right
MARILYN: yeah. And now ah what was
FLORENCE:Sarah and Mary I don't
MARILYN: That's his sisters and brothers
FLORENCE:know when they were born
MARY:No
FLORENCE:If I find it anytime
MARY:She's not as old as Pop
FLORENCE:Eh?
MARY:Not as old as Pop
FLORENCE:No, well
MARY:Pop's oldest
FLORENCE:yeah. I haven't seen it here
MARILYN: No
FLORENCE:If I find it anytime
MARILYN: You can let me know, but its not too important
FLORENCE:No
MARILYN: It's just to give an idea of like when these people came to Newfoundland and
MARY:They were, they were all Trinity people
FLORENCE:All born in Trinity
MARILYN: Oh, these were all born in Trinity?
MARY:All born in Trinity
FLORENCE:every one. A real Trinitarian
MARILYN: Okay. What about Emma, your mother?
FLORENCE:Yes
MARILYN: And she was a
MARY:She was a Pittman
MARILYN: Pittman
FLORENCE:yes
MARY:haha
MARILYN: That's funny isn't it?
FLORENCE:Look, I sent to England for the Pittman tree
MARILYN: Yes, David
FLORENCE:I'll give it to you to copy it off
MARILYN: David was interested in that too
FLORENCE:I sent my cousin Catherine and you can copy it off and
MARY:He gave us a letter. Now we think that his great grandfather and our great grandfather were brothers
MARILYN: Wouldn't that be interesting?
MARY:haha
FLORENCE:Look now Mrs. Dawe, you can copy it off and
MARILYN: When you get it
FLORENCE:When I get it
MARILYN: That's right so
FLORENCE: I should hear any day now from Catherine
MARILYN: very good
FLORENCE:She's a busy girl
MARILYN: family trees. So, I don't need to ask you about that cause that'll be coming
FLORENCE:Emma Pittman, she was the eldest of
MARY:13 children
FLORENCE:13
MARILYN: Oh my God
FLORENCE:That won't be in the tree. Eldest of 13 children
MARILYN: 13 children, my goodness. So, you've got a long. She's got a lot of relations her family is spread far and wide
FLORENCE:I'd say
MARILYN: Where your, your, your mother, your father wouldn't have as many
MARY:No
FLORENCE:No, haven't got anything. We're the same family as Mayor Mews.
FLORENCE:There was 2 sisters
MARILYN: Oh Yeah
FLORENCE:2 Miss Kelson's
MARILYN: Okay
FLORENCE:Two Miss Kelson's in Trinity and one married George Mews
MARILYN: And how, how were the Kelson's related to you?
FLORENCE:My mother, my grandmother was a Kelson
MARILYN: Okay, so Emma's mother
MARY:My, my name is Kelson
FLORENCE:Molls' name is Mary Elizabeth Kelson
MARILYN: Okay, so her mother, Emma's mother, was
FLORENCE:Was Mary Kelson
MARILYN: Mary Kelson
MARY:Mary Elizabeth Kelson
FLORENCE:yeah
MARILYN: How do ya spell that? K
FLORENCE:e l i z a b e t h
MARILYN: No, no
MARY:Kelson, not Elizabeth
FLORENCE:k e l s o n
MARILYN: k e l s o n oh I see and what about her father? What would her father's name be?
MARY:Now, that ?????
FLORENCE:???????
MARILYN: You don't know the
FLORENCE:Pittman
MARY:Oh, Kelson's father umm, grandma's father
MARILYN: yeah, Emma's father
MARY:He was, he was drowned, yeah she was only a baby when he was drowned
MARILYN: Drowned? I see
MARY:I really don't know anything about him
FLORENCE:I dear say they're here, her name would be on the, no that's the Pittman tree I'm getting
MARY:yeah
MARILYN: yeah, well her name would prob, might be on that
FLORENCE:I'll show her the picture of them now
FLORENCE:I'll get a cup of tea
MARILYN: You got a picture. You got a picture
FLORENCE:yeah
MARILYN: of them now
FLORENCE:yeah
MARILYN: Yes, oh very good. So ah, his father, er her father was drowned when she was young. Do you know
MARY:Ah, when you're writing up have you ever gone back to Kelson and Slade in Trinity?
MARILYN: I haven't, I haven't done any research on the Trin, on the Ryan or the Slade family
MARY:Oh
MARILYN: In Trinity. Mr. Hancock was the historian
MARY:yeah, grandma's great, grandma's uncle, needin put this down but grandma's uncle I think was accountant with ah I don't know if it was Lester and Slade or
FLORENCE:Look
MARY:Slade in Trinity
MARILYN: grandma's uncle
FLORENCE:That's ah, that's, that's my mother in there
MARILYN: yeah
FLORENCE:That's Grandma Pittman
MARILYN: Uh-hum
FLORENCE:And that's Grandma Pittman's mother ah Kelson, and that's my brother
MARILYN: My god
FLORENCE:I wish they could take that off. Could they take that off down there?
MARILYN: That's a very, very, very ah
FLORENCE:Old picture
MARILYN: Old picture. They could do something with it. It wouldn't be very good. You've got it all marked on who is who
FLORENCE:Yes
MARILYN: That's a very good idea to do that
MARY:Oh yes, yes
MARILYN: Extremely good idea
FLORENCE:Look. Mer, Emma Catherine Pittman
MARILYN: Uh-hum and Great Grandmother Kelson
FLORENCE:Yeah
MARILYN: They got it spelled s e n
FLORENCE:k e l s e n oh very good
MARILYN: Well, now see
FLORENCE:yes, that's right
MARY:yeah, yeah, s e n haha
MARILYN: It probably changes over the years
FLORENCE:George Hiscock
MARILYN: George Hiscock
FLORENCE:and Mary Elizabeth
MARILYN: Kelson Hiscock
FLORENCE:Pittman
MARILYN: Pittman
FLORENCE:Yeah, Pittman
MARILYN: yeah so that's right, so that there
FLORENCE:Look I, I first time I saw that written on the back I ah…I'm gonna give that to you now and ask them if they could make it plainer. I wonder could they?
MARILYN: I don't know if they could make it Plainer?
FLORENCE:I don't believe they could Moll?
MARILYN: I don't know, I ah
MARY:No, I wouldn't think so
MARILYN: it's not there.
FLORENCE:No
MARILYN: If it's not there they couldn't make it plain
FLORENCE:And it's no good to take it down to Tooton's is it?
MARY:No
MARILYN: No, no, I don't think that any photographer
MARY:it's too old
MARILYN: Yeah. That, so this is your mother and this is your grandmother
FLORENCE:Look, he came from a lady who was just so and look at her kid
MARILYN: All dressed up
FLORENCE:My great grand mother
MARY:haha
FLORENCE:She was a miss prim, miss prim, I mean prim in prim, not her name
MARILYN: yeah
FLORENCE:Oh she thought that
MARILYN: So
FLORENCE:She thought she was
MARILYN: this is, this is your great, your grandmother?
FLORENCE:mmm?
MARILYN: That's your grandmother?
MARY:No, great
FLORENCE:No. There's my grandmother.
MARILYN: There's your grandmother? That's your great grandmother
FLORENCE:My great grandmother. And that's my mother
MARILYN: And that's your mother
FLORENCE:And that's my brother
MARILYN: That's your brother. Oh my
MARY:Four generations
MARILYN: Wasn't he a sweet little boy?
MARY:Four gener
MARILYN: Um, Cute?
FLORENCE:Yes
MARILYN: Now, ah
FLORENCE:Oh, she was, oh my, she was
MARILYN: So this is Mary Elizabeth Kelson there?
FLORENCE:Yes
MARILYN: And that is?
FLORENCE:I don't know what Grandma Kelson's name, ?? Elizabeth
MARY:Elizabeth
FLORENCE:Elizabeth, Grandma Kelson
MARY:Elizabeth Ash
FLORENCE:Yes that's right
MARY:Don't you remember?
FLORENCE:Yes, yes that's right
MARY:On the watch
FLORENCE:yes that's right
MARILYN: This is your mother
FLORENCE:She, she's the little girl?
MARY:yes
FLORENCE:Oh, she was the little girl. I'll show yah haha You talk about an hour you, you want a year up here
MARILYN: I gotta get this straight now, I think I got this a bit confused. This is your mother Emma?
FLORENCE:Yes
MARILYN: Your mother Emma
FLORENCE:Yes
MARILYN: Her mother?
FLORENCE:Yes
MARILYN: Mary Elizabeth
FLORENCE:Kelson
MARILYN: And what would her mother's name be?
FLORENCE:Elizabeth
MARY:Elizabeth Ash she was, she married a Kelson
FLORENCE:Married a Kelson. Elizabeth Ash Kelson, that a way to put it?
MARILYN: That's right, Ash
FLORENCE:And that's George
MARILYN: And that's George yeah, I see, mother. That'll be your great grandmother?
MARY:That's right
MARILYN: My goodness. See people, a lot of people don't take ah no care of their photographs and just to mark these names on em like I know my, my family if my mother was sat down to try to figure out who they were in the pictures now
MARY:Yes
MARILYN: She would get them confused, but to have them
FLORENCE:Yes
MARY:Yes
MARILYN: Written on
FLORENCE:Yes, that's my oldest brother's son. He was born in Scotland.
MARILYN: Oh my is he ever? Haha He's all dressed up like a Scottish lad
MARY:Sure he was born in Scotland
MARILYN: Yes, yes that's wicked though. A real photograph that is
MARY:His mother was Scottish
MARILYN: Yes, yes sir. Beautiful pictures, very useful things, nice things to have
FLORENCE:You have lots of things to go down?
MARILYN: It'll really make the house ya know come alive to people when ya
FLORENCE:Oh
MARILYN: You put
FLORENCE:There's enough stuff down there and a nough nough down there and a nough here to make the house a home
MARILYN: Yeah, yeah
FLORENCE:Isn't it Moll?
MARY:Yeah
FLORENCE:There's enough down there and such fine carpets
MARILYN: Were ah these Kels, the Kelsons now they're a Trinity family too?
MARY:Kelson's? No ah
MARILYN: Now did they come from Trinity?
MARY:Ah not originally, came from England
MARILYN: Not, ah were they
FLORENCE:Born in Trinity I suppose
MARY:No, I don't know if
FLORENCE:What, Great-Grandmother Kelson?
MARY:Oh, she was
FLORENCE:Yes
MARY:She was an Ash
FLORENCE:Yes, yes, she was born in Trinity
MARILYN: Born in Trinity
MARY:Oh yes, she was born in Trinity
FLORENCE:And Grandma too
MARILYN: Uh-hum, but their
MARY:Now
MARILYN: You don't
MARY:But the one older than that, you ah you ever hear talk of Sir Harry Pen over in Harbour Grace?
MARILYN: Uh-hum
FLORENCE:He's a connection of ours
MARY:That's where we came from, that's where she came from originally
MARILYN: The Ash?
MARY:The
MARILYN: Elizabeth Ash
MARY:She ah married ah oh my I can't go back quite far haha
MARILYN: Can't go back quite far enough eh? No, cause when you mention that Sir ah
MARY:That comes back to ya?
MARILYN: Yes, Sir Henry Pen, now who was
MARY:Sir Henry Pen is ah…I don't know he, he was a cousin I think of our great great grandmother
MARILYN: Cousin of
MARY:Wait now, haha oh my
MARILYN: Oh no, a cousin of Elizabeth?
MARY:You might find this out because
MARILYN: yeah I might figure this out after a while
MARY:I may not be accurate you know
MARILYN: yeah but there's some relation there between
MARY:Oh yes, yes
MARILYN: Umm...Elizabeth Ash who became a Kelson...umm
MARY:Wait now, I think it must be her mother who was what they call grandma ?? . She came from the Ash's see, and she was a cousin of Sir Harry Pen
MARILYN: Her mother, ohh my goodness, mother
FLORENCE:What?
MARY:I tell Mrs. Dawe try to find out the right of it. But, knowing something you may find
MARILYN: Yeah, you can, you can trace em ya know
MARY:Yes
MARILYN: I'll move my stuff there outta your way now
FLORENCE:That's alright. You can write away now when I put the cloth on
MARY:Here Moll lul, take it
FLORENCE:And you can write away, I'll bring in the little bit of ???
MARILYN: I don't usually get a cup of tea when I'm working ??????? haha
MARY:haha
MARILYN: Oh my, so yeah, yeah I remember the other day when you mentioned that about Sir Henry Pen
MARY:Yes
MARILYN: I think we have a marker put up to Sir Henry Pen or
MARY:Have they?
MARILYN: We're going to put up a marker
MARY:He's over in Harbour Grace, Mosquito somewhere
MARILYN: Mosquito
MARY:have you heard talk of ah Pen's estate?
MARILYN: Yes I have, yeah
MARY:Yeah, well my grandmother and great-grandmother was getting money
from that all the time
MARILYN: Oh
MARY:When we, when it came down to us, we got about 2 dollars
MARILYN: haha
MARY:haha
MARILYN: No, that's what always happens
MARY:There was so many you know
MARILYN: yeah, that's
MARY:When it was finished we got about
MARILYN: yeah
MARY:2 dollars
MARILYN: mother and grandmother…so, cousin was of Elizabeth Ash's mother...gotta get this straight now…There. So, you don't know anything about where like ah you say they were born in Trinity the Verge's and
MARY:No, I don't, I have no idea
MARILYN: George Hiscock's, but you don't know anything about like where they
came from in England or
MARY:Ah, no, I don't know
MARILYN: Or anything beyond that
MARY:No, I don't know where the, but umm
FLORENCE:The Kelson's?
MARILYN: No
MARY:What happened you see Mrs. Dawe
MARILYN: The Verge and the Hiscock's
FLORENCE:No
MARY:My father was drowned and we was I was only and Floss was one and I was 2
MARILYN: And so the family tradition
MARY:And the family didn't
MARILYN: That's right
MARY:But ah, we lived with our mother's family
MARILYN: You lived mostly with your mother's family?
MARY:In Trinity
FLORENCE:In Trinity with the Pittman's
MARY:And we can go back further with ah our mother's family
MARILYN: All the Pittman's, yes I see. You ah lived lived with the Pittman's
FLORENCE:And we had no descendents of the Hiscock's
MARY:Look, we were the only grandchildren of the Hiscock's
MARILYN: Oh, is that right?
MARY:Yes
MARILYN: So, umm you were the only grandchildren, SO
MARY:Of the Hiscock's. Because Aunt Mary had 2 boys and they both died
MARILYN: Oh, I see
MARY:One was a clergyman and one was a small boy, and Aunt Sarah didn't have any children
MARILYN: Oh, and
FLORENCE:I'm sure Aunt Mary's husband's sons
MARY:Yes
FLORENCE:2 sons
MARY:yes
FLORENCE:Aunt Mary had two sons
MARY:Yes they both died
FLORENCE:Yeah
MARILYN: Uh-hum so there's no there's no other, des no descendents from Richard?
No other descendents?
MARY:No. They might be dis, distant cousins I don't know bout that cause you
know the Hiscock's a common name
FLORENCE:Yes, you don't want to trace back
MARY:haha
MARILYN: But there, there are numerous Pittman's if there's
MARY:Yes
MARILYN: If she had, she was the eldest of 13 children
FLORENCE:Yes 13
MARILYN: Yeah there must be numerous Pittman's
FLORENCE:You remember, you don't remember Mrs. ??? Mews I know of Mew's
MARILYN: I knows a Mew ah the Mews' were they involved in a dry-cleaning business that?
MARY:No
FLORENCE:No, not the same family
MARILYN: Mews' dry cleaning? Not the same family is it?
FLORENCE:Aunt Floss was a musician here and Douglas was here but he, he was um up at the memorial last Christmas
MARILYN: Oh, yeah
FLORENCE:That was cousin
MARILYN: Neat. Yeah the name is not very well known here in town
FLORENCE:There's lots of Mews' here
MARY:Yeah
FLORENCE:But, but not the same family
MARILYN: But not the same family... no...So where did the Mews' get connected
with you?,
FLORENCE:Oh well, my grandma's sister, they were born in Trinity see, two sisters,
two Mrs. Kelson's. Grandma was one and the other sister came to St. John's
MARILYN: Oh, I see
FLORENCE:And met George Mews
MARILYN: Two sisters
FLORENCE:And married and the Mews family's here in St. John's and the Pittman family stayed in Trinity
MARILYN: And
FLORENCE:Now
MARILYN: Mews in St. John's
FLORENCE:I'd say Mayor Mews is a cousin and
MARILYN: Yeah
FLORENCE:As well. I'd say him because
MARY:He's known
FLORENCE:He's well known
MARILYN: He's known yeah, right. Now what
FLORENCE:Now you got that straight?
MARILYN: Yes I have got that straight. So Mary the sister married a Mews in St. John's and
MARY:Francis. Francis Kelson
FLORENCE:Her name was Francis. Francis yes...and Fanny
MARILYN: Fanny was it?
FLORENCE:Fanny, yeah we called her Aunt Fanny. Fanny
MARY:So we had Aunt Fanny and Aunt Fan. Because mom had a sister Francis and we called her Aunt Fan but when speaking of ah
MARILYN: Your great aunt
MARY:Great aunt, was Aunt Fanny haha
MARILYN: Right so you had to change that
MARY:Yeah
MARILYN: Yeah, yeah. So that what the Mews' because the other day when you were talking about you know about the different family relations like trying to figure out how they all clicked together was interesting
FLORENCE:yeah. There was only 2 sisters and 2 was Kelson's. One came to St. John's and married and stayed here and the other Mrs. Kelson, my grandmother, stayed
MARILYN: Mary
FLORENCE:In Trinity
MARY:Mary
FLORENCE:And had 13 children and my mother was the oldest of 13
MARILYN: 13
MARY:Mmm
FLORENCE:That's right isn't it?
MARY:Mmm
MARILYN: Okay. Now. We needs to take a break now. You wanna take a break for a few minutes
FLORENCE:Yes, that's right.
MARY:Coffee break
MARILYN: I can't remember what we were talking about now. Oh, yeah, you said that Emma's family, Emma had a large family, sisters and brothers, and you lived with them after?
MARY:No, we didn't live with them
FLORENCE:No, we didn't live them with but
MARILYN: Well, there were around
MARY:Yes, in the same place
MARILYN: When you were growing up
FLORENCE:That's right
MARILYN: Mmm, I see. What…
MARY:We were corrected quite a lot by them
MARILYN: Was that right?
MARY:They were res, ya know
MARILYN: They were your aunts and uncles?
FLORENCE:That's right
MARY:Yes
MARILYN: Sorta kept an eye on ya
MARILYN: yeah
MARILYN: Kept an eye on ya see
FLORENCE:She was just so
MARILYN: yeah, yeah
MARILYN: What would, what would their names be now? Their her do you any of your?
MARY:Mom's sisters
FLORENCE:Yeah
MARILYN: Your mother's sisters and brothers?
FLORENCE:Show em Moll
MARY:Sure I'll show em to ya
MARILYN: You'll show em to me?
MARY:Yes
MARILYN: What's ?
FLORENCE:Name them Moll
MARILYN: Oh, you got a picture. Ah, that's alright
MARY:That goes back in the house
MARILYN: That's got a wooden frame on it, wooden framed picture with a
FLORENCE:Old frame
MARILYN: Got any? There's no names on the back of this one
MARY:I'll get the names and paste it on
MARILYN: You should, yes, just, don't put it on the picture itself
FLORENCE:On the back
MARILYN: On the back
MARY:There's mom, no, there's where there's mom, look see her, with her bonnet on?
MARILYN: Oh yes, just look at that
MARY:And there's, there's Aunt Soph
MARILYN: Sophie
FLORENCE:No, wait now, give them to ya in age and so next no Harry
MARY:No, she's not, she's not
MARILYN: Emma
FLORENCE:Look what do you want? The, the children of grandma?
MARILYN: Ah, yes
FLORENCE:Do you want all mom's brothers and sisters
MARILYN: yes, Emma's brothers and sisters
FLORENCE:Whether they're dead or alive?
MARILYN: Whether they're dead or alive
FLORENCE:Now, well
MARY:They're all dead haha
MARILYN: They're all dead now yes
FLORENCE:Now, I'll get them this way, next to mom
MARILYN: So Emma's the oldest?
FLORENCE:yes, Emma Catherine
MARILYN: yeah
MARY:Kelson...Kelson Moore Pittman
MARILYN: Kelson was her first name?
MARY:Yes
FLORENCE:No, mom she wants Moll
FLORENCE:Emma, Emma Catherine
MARILYN: Emma and then there's Catherine
FLORENCE:C a
MARILYN: Catherine, okay
FLORENCE:That's right, Emma Catherine Pittman
MARILYN: Uh-hum
FLORENCE: Emma Catherine
MARILYN: That's your
FLORENCE:Pittman
MARILYN: mother's name?
FLORENCE:That's mom's name yeah. Next one
MARY:Kelsen Warr
FLORENCE:Kelsen Warr
MARILYN: That's a girl?
FLORENCE:No
MARILYN: A man?
FLORENCE:Man, Uncle Kelson
MARILYN: His first name was Kelsen?
FLORENCE:k e l s e n
MARY:haha
MARILYN: Warr? w a
FLORENCE:double r
MARILYN: r r
FLORENCE:The next one was Henry
MARY:Herbert
FLORENCE:Herbert
MARILYN: Henry Herbert
FLORENCE:Reverend
MARY:haha
MARILYN: He, he, was he a clergymen?
FLORENCE:clergymen, uh-hum
MARILYN: Okay
FLORENCE:Now, who's next? Aunt Soph
MARY:There's a lot dead that I don't know
FLORENCE:We don't know the dead ones
MARY:Aunt Soph
FLORENCE:Sophia
MARY:Charlotte
FLORENCE:Charlotte
MARILYN: I see...my goodness
FLORENCE:Now, who was the next Moll?
MARY:Francis Margaret
FLORENCE:Aunt Fran. Francis Margaret
MARILYN: Right
MARY:How many is that, there's 8 living
MARILYN: one, two, three, four, five. That's five
MARY:Ah, Uncle Rob
FLORENCE:Was he older than Aunt Floss ?
MARY:haha Rob William
FLORENCE:He was older than Aunt Floss, Aunt Floss the youngest. Now, who's next?
MARY:Charlie ??
FLORENCE:yeah, Charlie ??
MARILYN: Charlie MacFarlane?
MARY:Charles
FLORENCE:Charlie ?? I'd know the rest
MARY:haha
MARILYN: Charles MacFarlane
MARY:And Florence Elizabeth
FLORENCE:Florence Elizabeth. She's my godmother.
MARY:That's eight I think is it.
MARILYN: One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine including your mother.
FLORENCE:Oh, yes, nine including MoMARILYN:
MARILYN: One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. No that's eight. That's right.
FLORENCE:No that's eight.
MARILYN: I'm not a very good counter.
FLORENCE:Aunt Floss is my Aunt..
MARILYN: And your Godmother.
FLORENCE:Godmother, namesake.
MARILYN: Big three.
FLORENCE:That's right isn't it?
MARY:Umm
MARILYN: But there were other's in the family.
MARY:Five others died in childhood.
FLORENCE:Childhood. But don't know their names.
MARY:They had an epidemic of diphtheria there and I think that she lost two or three.
MARILYN: Is that right. The hardest children.
MARY:They came from the funeral one time and there was another one dead.
MARILYN: Oh my! And what kind of epidemic was it.
MARY:Diphtheria.
MARILYN: Diphtheria.
MARY:But that's only from hearsay. You know I don't.
MARILYN: But they all died as children.
MARY:Only eight lived.
MARILYN: My goodness, big family.
MARY:They didn't die in infancy. They died very young.
MARILYN: And this is a picture of some of theMARILYN:
MARY: Look. Yes. This is my oldest brother.
MARILYN: George.
MARY:George. And there's Will and there's Mom, Aunt Soph, Aunt Fan and Aunt Floss.
FLORENCE:And Aunt Floss married her first cousin, Alec Mews, same family.
MARILYN: Same family as the..
FLORENCE:First cousin, her first cousin, Aunt Floss married her first cousin, Alec Mews and there's Will the one that died. And that's my brother.
MARY:Now you know who brought in the Daylight Savings Time, John Anderson, well that's his two boys.
MARILYN: And how come their in the picture?
FLORENCE:They were into Trinity on a visit.
MARILYN: Is that right? Now that's interesting. That's something you should do is write...
FLORENCE:And there's his mother.
MARILYN: If you wouldn't mind doing that that would be really wonderful.
Mary in background saying there's his mother, there's his mother and there's Ms. Anderson.
FLORENCE:That's only ten minutes work for me, I'll show you what I did now the other day.
MARILYN: It would be really useful. I asked Tony…
MARY:That picture goes that way.
MARILYN: I asked Tony what to do about the photographs, like you know the different ones that Bob has and things like that, in identifying the names and she said the best thing to do would be to, to maybe put a small number in the corner of them on the back somewhere and then on a sheet of paper write down who is in them rather than actually write them on the photograph.
FLORENCE:I got all the names down of it I'm sure of it.
MARILYN: Have ya. That is because…
MARY:That's clear isn't it. That's eighty years ago.
MARILYN: That's a really good picture.
MARY:That's over eighty years.
MARILYN: Yeah I believe it. It's amazing.
MARY:That's a good picture.
MARILYN: Photographers were much better then I think.
MARY:Yeah. Ha Ha.
MARILYN: Weren't they?
MARY:???? Now that's a stranger to me
FLORENCE:I'll do that tonight now. I'll put that. I'll do that it'll give me a job I'll do it tonight.
MARILYN: If its not too much trouble but its useful you know for future generations, you know.
MARY:At that time, that's Mrs. Jenkins, there, she had a hotel.
MARILYN: In Trinity?
MARY:In Trinity.
FLORENCE:And Walter White, Teresa's brother, married Jenkin's daughter.
MARILYN: That name, that is a name, I, I, when you said Jenkins' I said that clicked a bell, because Teresa was telling me about that.
FLORENCE:Well Walter her brother married that woman's daughter.
MARILYN: Mrs. Jenkins, is that right.
MARY:She kept a hotel and these people all came for a holiday.
MARILYN: That's right, they kept a hotel.
MARY:Summer time.
MARILYN: In Trinity?
MARY:In Trinity.
FLORENCE:If you want to know anything ask us too.
MARY:Ha Ha Ha.
MARILYN: My goodness. The hotel. Okay. Walter. Mrs. Jenkins.
FLORENCE:You must have enjoyed her. I would love to see her.
MARILYN: She's a great lady.
MARY:Now it comes back to me. She's younger then. They got around together. Walter and Theresa.
FLORENCE:Their brother stayed with us for ten years.
MARILYN: Well, you know I got a mind to write and tell her as its really interesting as she was really close to her brother. Yeah, they were really, really close.
MARY:Yes, they were about the same age. And they got around together as I heard Walter say.
MARILYN: Yeah, yeah they were really close.
FLORENCE: And you can tell her that you saw a book that her brother gave me. Where in the world is that book.
MARY:What book is that Floss?
FLORENCE:He gave me a book, you know one time, Walter did, and marked itinside, I think.
MARILYN: Walter White, boarded with you. (saying as she is writing it down). With your mother and the two of you in Trinity.
MARY:Yes.
MARILYN: Now, that is neat. Because I was researching like his great grandfather was the first light keeper at Cape Bonavista lighthouse.
MARY:That's right and then his brother. He was much older then Walter was.
MARILYN: Fred.
MARY:Fred, yeah, he was the light keeper.
MARILYN: And you know.
MARY: That's where they were brought up. Walter and all these. We know, having Mr. Nicholas with us those years, we knew all about theMARILYN:
MARILYN: Ten years.
MARY: Ten years he boarded with us.
MARILYN: Did you generally have a boarder like that or just one person. Or is it justbecause of the
MARY:No, just one person, just one person.
MARILYN: That's the only person.
MARY:There was only three of us and he wanted to come to board.
FLORENCE:Look this is Will's book, Algebra.
MARILYN: My goodness.
FLORENCE:And there's the youth ?
MARILYN: Oh yeah look at that. Fine ray. My Aunt. I've got an Aunt, Aunt Lizzie Parrott. Elizabeth Parrott and she is from Trinity Bay. And she writes the same way. Amazing. The type of writing. Willie Hiscock, August, Willie. That was when he was fairly young I say. He was called Willie.
MARY:Yes, someone else must have written that. We always called him Will.
MARILYN: Will. Yeah because Willie is the...
MARY:I think that some people used to call him Bo. I don't know why.
MARILYN: Bo.
MARY:Bo. Aunt Soph sometimes.
MARILYN: Amazing, well I think that is enough about, I think I got, that's about most of the people that you remember in your families, your aunts and your uncles and your grandparents and your great-grand mother.
MARY: We don't remember her.
MARILYN: No, no, that's as far as it goes back your grandmother and you would not remember any of the… your father's
MARY:We don't know all of em'
MARILYN: Know any of his family
MARY:We only knows our two aunts, aunt Mary and aunt Sarah
MARILYN: That's right
MARY:And grandfather and grandmother
MARILYN: and grandfather and grandmother
MARY:I don't know if he... I dear say he had relations to Hiscock's like the dau..
MARILYN: But where he did so young that
MARY:We were separated
MARILYN: Yeah you did not have the connection with em'
MARY:cause we were in Trinity and they were here
MARILYN: That's right
MARY: Do you ah-ah, you know when you come up Prescott street
MARILYN: Um-hum
MARY:up to Gower Street and turn right there's a large house on the hill, it's not so good now
MARILYN: Yeah okay, yeah.
MARY:That was grandpa's house
MARILYN: Is that right
MARY:He had a lovely large garden.
MARILYN: Now, okay that something I got to get into is the like
MARY:hundred .. it was a hundred and forty three Gower street.
FLORENCE:here's a birthday there, Edith Smith, you know either Edith
MARILYN: Edith Smith, well my m… Edith Smith
FLORENCE:That's another birthday book Moll
MARILYN: Edith Smith, no my mother's name is Enith??, but I have met Edith, I have met Edith Smith, cause every time I meet anybody with the name Smith you automatically take notice of it right
FLORENCE:Yeah that, that's why I
MARILYN: Yeah, my grandfather died very young to in the same way at sea, yeah very young my father was two years old when he died.
FLORENCE:That's another
MARILYN: My mothe... my grandmother ran a boarding house here in St. John's
MARY:Had a boarding house.
MARILYN: Yeah.
FLORENCE:What name was that
MARILYN: Well she was a Smith, on... down on Brassel Square I'm sure you've heard of the infamous boarding houses of Brassel Square.
MARY:Yes
MARILYN: That's, my grand mother ran one of those for years cause she had not husband to support...
MARY:No, that's right.
MARILYN: her and she had a family to bring up and.
MARY:No
MARILYN: So ah, now I want to go back to some of this ah stuff like ah you said your father was a...
MARY:Blacksmith
MARILYN: blacksmith…
MARY:Yes
MARILYN: okay Richard was a blacksmith, and where did, he got his trade here in town.
MARY:Yes, at ah, we're not sure the name of the place but it was the foot of ah, foot of Prescott Street.
MARILYN:But he was born in Trinity…
MARY:Born in Trinity
MARILYN: and then he came to St. John's
MARY:They ca… now what time they came here to live I don't know
MARILYN: So the whole family came in.
MARY:Yes, yes
MARILYN: The, the Hiscock family came to St.
MARY:Yes
MARILYN: Okay
MARY:They were born ah
MARILYN: Moved to St. John's, St. John's probably because of the captain
Mary :Perhaps so.
MARILYN: and that's were he got his trade in St. John's
MARY:Yes, blacksmith and then went back to Trinity.
MARY:No doubt, he met Miss Pittman before he left didn't he
MARILYN: Before he left ah..
MARY:Trinity to come to St. John's
MARILYN: St. John's yeah, and probably went back after he got his trade. Yes, that's probably what happened. Yes he went ah...
MARY:That's what it looks like
MARILYN: so he got his trade in St. John's and moved back to Trinity and got married.
MARY:Yes
MARILYN: So his father wasn't a blacksmith before him his father was a captain.
MARY:and grandpa, he was the only son. Grand mom didn't want him to go to sea afraid he drowned and at 39 he was drowned.
MARILYN: What was he doing out at sea if he was a blacksmith. He just went out fishin everybody went out fishin I suppose.
MARY:No, no he was canvassing for Sir Robert, have you heard of Sir Robert. He was going to get a..., he was hoping to get a government job.
MARILYN: Sir Robert, now who would, what year would that be Sir Robert Bond, it wouldn't be Bond, that's to early to be Bond.
MARY:Yes, yes that's right Sir Robert Bond.
MARILYN: Is that right, he was canvassing for Sir Robert Bond.
MARY:Yes.
MARILYN: Oh my, so, oh okay didn't want him to go to sea, so she was nervous about the sea.
MARY:Yes, and he was drowned, isn't that funny.
MARILYN: Yeah, so he was a blacksmith.
MARY:He was canvassing with a friend who was an MHA.
MARILYN: Oh so he was canvassing.
MARY:For Sir Robert.
MARILYN: For Sir Robert Bond.
MARY:And a squall came and tipped the boat, I don't know if ever he went fishing.
MARILYN: Were they just out in a small boat going from community to community
MARY:Going.. They were going up by Shoal Harbour, from Trinity to Shoal Harbour up around there somewhere.
MARILYN: And what did they do bring em back
MARY:Brought the bodies back
MARILYN: Brought the bodies back home.
MARY:There was one man with them who was saved. Two men who drowned, Mr. Webber...
MARILYN: Mr. Webber?
MARY:Yes, they were great friends and I think he was MHA at that time.
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